Henk's Observations
What makes sacada difficult is it looks similar to the molinette. Actually, it is not as difficult, more on the level of ochos. In the beginning I had problems with balance, putting weight on the right foot, and timing. The timing problem happened because because the first thing I learned was molinette. This having become automatic, the first steps are the same but the timing is different. Changing these small things is very difficult.
This is the first time I'm doing the excercise of walking together. When you walk toward the mirror you can concentrate completely on what you are doing, you can change small things by looking in the mirror. Doing things together is very hard. I think it's one of the things that I think EVERYONE has to do a lot of practicing together. When I look around the dance floor, I notice there is a lot to improve. As Jan says: it should be elegant but manly.
When I look in the mirror, in the beginning, I see that I completely miss the elegance, in everything. Walking, you are just making steps: functional: moving forward. But without thinking about what things make the move of a step forward--the esthetics of walking: actually, that's the issue at hand.
When I look in the mirror, the moment that all the movements that go into making a step fit together, that's when there is a flow, and it's good. Every part of the step should follow at EXACTLY the right moment. How you place your foot, how high your heel is, etc. etc. If it's wrong you see it immediately.
Jan told me about bending the knee when you bring your foot forward: the knee should go forward first, THEN extending the leg, THEN transferring the weight. That's quite a difference, doing it that way. Putting your weight slightly toward the outside of your foot makes it look better.
Having a good posture, and then making the moves that belong with that posture, that is what's important. The thought occurs to me: maybe you could start with just standing??
This is the first time I'm doing the excercise of walking together. When you walk toward the mirror you can concentrate completely on what you are doing, you can change small things by looking in the mirror. Doing things together is very hard. I think it's one of the things that I think EVERYONE has to do a lot of practicing together. When I look around the dance floor, I notice there is a lot to improve. As Jan says: it should be elegant but manly.
When I look in the mirror, in the beginning, I see that I completely miss the elegance, in everything. Walking, you are just making steps: functional: moving forward. But without thinking about what things make the move of a step forward--the esthetics of walking: actually, that's the issue at hand.
When I look in the mirror, the moment that all the movements that go into making a step fit together, that's when there is a flow, and it's good. Every part of the step should follow at EXACTLY the right moment. How you place your foot, how high your heel is, etc. etc. If it's wrong you see it immediately.
Jan told me about bending the knee when you bring your foot forward: the knee should go forward first, THEN extending the leg, THEN transferring the weight. That's quite a difference, doing it that way. Putting your weight slightly toward the outside of your foot makes it look better.
Having a good posture, and then making the moves that belong with that posture, that is what's important. The thought occurs to me: maybe you could start with just standing??

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may i suggest something? as a tango-ignorant, that is? movement, and especially elegant movement,require the holy trinity of 'detention, balance and control'.(this is what my tai-chi master tries to teach me; one of the best exercises is the so-called cat-walk:walking in slow motion.)of course, when you want (to learn)something, the usual approach is exertion, but balance and control - fundamental they seem to me when it comes to dancing - are not much helped this way.try some steps without the use of fysical strength, but with the power of mental visualisation. it may prove to be even harder at first, but it can also lead you to the movements in their essence, to find your balance in any position, and also between positions. Maybe this is helpful - good luck
Hi Benjamin,
Study walking would help not only to tango but to any dance, I believe. But it is a difficult task in itself. It may be too much for many tango learners to do both to learn the elements of tango and waking (foot placement, extention, transition, balance). Of caurse the elementary awareness of these things in unavoidable anyways. I am not sure what you have in mind when you propose mental visualization and not the actual physical practicing. How would it help?
Jan
what i mean by mental visualisation is the following: as physically functioning adults we direct our body unconsciously.we skip a number of intermediate, basically neurological, steps that have been automatized by habit.So when we want, for example, our foot to step in a specific place, we can put it there, but skipping the process 'how'. Visualizing the 'how', i.e. what it should look like, is a difficult task, but maybe the only way to reeducate our physical control towards a (Platonic, if you wish) ideal. Especially when learning prescribed movements - as in dance, or indeed in tai-chi - that represent, or imitate actions from life, the essence seems to me to approach the founding concept ( be it block-and-punch as in tai-chi, or a seductive pass in tango ). This 'founding concept' started as a 'natural' movement. Balance, elegance and fluency can all be facilitated by imagining, i.e. visualising what all individual positions should look like, and how they can be integrated.
Of course i know very well that it is more difficult to perform certain movements in slow motion, but it might be the best way to master balance and elegance. When we hurry, we muffle, and we can dress up gravity as if it was a willed step.
Anyway, i hope to explain my ideas to some degree; good luck,
b
[...]
"Visualizing the 'how', i.e. what it should look like, is [...] maybe the only way to reeducate our physical control towards a (Platonic, if you wish) ideal.
So you mean: if you want to improve your movment, you have to first visualize what is should look like. I notice that some people don't like to visualize. They say they prefer to just start moving and then eventually they'll "get it."
"[...]Balance, elegance and fluency can all be facilitated by imagining, i.e. visualising what all individual positions should look like, and how they can be integrated."
Do you mean, visualize individual positions and connect them by finding the movement that changes one position into the next? When I think about it, it seems to me that one first has to visualize a static *position* in one's mind, before one can visualize a movement. A lot of people try to visualize a movement without first visualizing a position to move from or to. I sometimes try to do it, I think, but I don't think it works.
"[...]
When we hurry, we muffle, and we can dress up gravity as if it was a willed step."
So if muffling is bad, then what *should* you do with gravity?
Benjamin, sure, visualizing bodily movements for the dance purpose would contribute to the better execution of the intended step. But in tango walking is what shows who you are and how you want to be perceived. You want to perform the motion the way that corresponds to the features of your character whuch you yourself value and to your interpretation of the music you hear. Also, you have a partner that you need to lead to what you want to do. So, what you want to visualize is how someone like you would express that what you intend to express with your partner. Moving fast is likely to decrease your accuracy in completion of your motion, thus it may decrease (or eliminate) your refinement and elegance. If you go too slow and too careful, you will loose the confidence in your walk and the manly attitude. Visualizing your walk (or any motion) for the purpose of your personal intention will be helpful, I think. But visualizing and studying all the motion possible to be performed by the human body will not be helpful, for it is by far too much to study in relation to the aim you have, that is to express your own self, in the motion, to the music, with a partner.
Jan
Henk, the sacadas I have shown to you are incorporated to the ladies molinette steps. Sacadas do not have to be done to the ladies molinette, but I wanted to introduce them to you in the most familiar to you fashion to make them easier. Your concluding thought is of caurse accurate, standing is the beginning of your dancing and it should look good too.
Jan
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